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Friday, February 13, 2009

State Department Floating Ammo Import Ban?

It looks like those who said the Obama Administration would strike while the iron is hot may have been correct, and the Administration may be doing it in a way that does not require them to even get a vote in Congress. In this morning's edition of the Shooting Wire, Jim Shepherd writes that Canadian officials have it on "good authority" our State Department may be on the verge of cutting off all imports of certain calibers of ammunition.


Ammos listed for this rumored ban include the .50BMG, 7.62x39mm Soviet, 7.62x51mm NATO, .308 Winchester, 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington. Additionally, we're hearing that an expansion of this proposed ban might be broadened to include the 6.8mm SPC, 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP- among others.

In other words, State Department officials may be floating a trial balloon to see if there are howls of protest, or whimpers of compliance. Canadian elected officials who have directed this information to me say the move seems to be motivated by "emboldened" anti-gun officials who think they have a kindred spirit in President Obama.
Shepherd continues that there may also be a plan to ban exports on certain firearms to Canada from the US, resulting in the State Department hammering gun manufacturers, distributors and exporters in the United States while simultaneously making firearms -and ammunition - ownership and acquisition more difficult for Canadians.

Many in the pro-rights community have said since the election that Obama could circumvent Congress by using regulations in his various cabinet departments to attack gun owners. It appears that it may have already begun.

34 comments:

Scott said...

You can ban weapons with a pen, but not thoughts and dissent. Our country is reaping the rotten fruit of our politicians corruption. They soon will find as Maria Antoinette it is better to pay attention to grumblings of the masses.

Harry said...

This "story" is pure fantasy.... This stuff is put out by guys who financially benefit from selling more stuff to their conservative flock of sheep.... The wackjobs who actually believe these rumors are the same guys who stocked up on ammo for Y2K and the "armageddon" it was supposed to create....

Harry said...

Oh my God, what a load of crap... This "rumour" is so false, its hard to believe someone had the audacity to print it... I guess if the facts don't fit your belief system, you just have to make them up...

Doc Fast said...

Harry,
You obviously are not working in the firearms industry or you would know that this article is true. There are thousands of permits to import surplus ammo not being processed by ouy Criminal-In-Chief's minions. I have a permit sitting on someones desk thats been there for four months and it usualy takes three days. SO don't try to tell those of us that know the truth thats its BS because it isn't! This is a back door de facto gun ban and everybody should see it for what it is!

T. O . Meehan said...

While agreeing that this is motivated by anti-gun sentiment, I wonder if it might not have one good effect. This may be a stimulus for American ammunition manufacturers. Let's face it, a lot of imported surplus ammo is pretty poor stuff.

jpr9954 said...

A ban on imported ammo would NOT help domestic manufacturers. Tommy Milner, the President of Remington Arms, said on GunTalk Radio this past Sunday that they could not keep up with demand right now. If I was a big distributor and wanted a million rounds of .223, he'd have to send me elsewhere.

Go to your local Wal-Mart and try to find any of the common handgun calibers. I can't speak for VA but here in NC you better be waiting for the truck to come in or you will miss out on it. The clerk said they were selling out as fast as it came in and they were not getting as much as before.

The other major thing to realize about imported ammo is that it allows new shooters to get started cheaper. We need the new shooters and we need to facilitate their entry to the sport. If cheaper plinking ammo is the answer, I'm all for as much imported ammo as we can get.

Harry said...

Doc, with all due respect, your story is also 100% bogus and doesn't make any sense. Obama has been President for only a fews weeks. If the permit you mention really has been stalled/delayed for 3 or 4 months, then almost all of the delay was due to the Bush Administration. I stand by my comments, do you still stand by yours?

Bill said...

Is it really that difficult to believe the most liberal man to take the Presidency, that voted anti gun numerous times as a State Senator and briefly as a US Senator,has a problem with passing any and all gun laws that Pelosi,Reid,Shumer,etc put to him? Harry. Obama was elected Nov 4th, 3 1/2 months ago.THINK!!!!

Stinky said...

big deal. you should already have at least 1000 rounds of ammo for your rifle. Get a .22 caliber conversion kit for it and practice using .22 long rifle. The only thing this will do, is increase the price of ammo, and create a black market in ammo. A BOON for the Cops Courts And Prisons business.

Stinky said...

I think Obama understands that Guns are NEEDED in the Black community. They have the lowest gun ownership rate (National Inst Of Justice Surveys) of any race. They don't shoot at criminals (they protest when you shoot a burgler, instead of giving you a medal) so, they have the highest crime rates, highest jail percentage, highest murders, etc... Obama knows that the liberal lines that "guns are bad and abortion is good" are the ROOT CAUSE of the destruction of the black race.

Shark Girl said...

Harry, you're forgetting that Obama was a Senator long before hijacking the Constitution...err.. I mean, getting elected by dead people and illegal aliens...err.. I mean, getting put in the highest office of the United States.

Senators have an influence on bills. Obama was working on his agenda long before taking office of president.

You don't become the biggest pork spender in a few weeks of taking office, and you don't write over a 1 thousand page bill in a short time.

The takeover of our Constitution was already in the making. We're just seeing it in action before our eyes.

Macklenan said...

In this day and age, we are in danger of being manipulated in too many ways to rely on "Thinking" alone. Our opinions will always draw us to our conclusions. Unfortunately, we need hard evidence. It is our duty to seek them out! Use "Thinking" to ask the important questions.

If we fight each other and don't go up and demand answers and evidence to prove otherwise, we may as well be sheep.

Fighting each other is not patriotic. Making sure all Americans are represented and have a voice is.

A. Magnus Publius said...

HR 45 - the national firearms registration act - is already in congress. It's only a matter of time before all civilian Americans who own guns are considered 'terrorists' or 'insurgents' by a hybrid Nazi-communist government gone mad with absolute power. The people telling you not to be concerned about this are probably drawing up plans for industrial-size ovens to stuff their enemies in once the next false-flag terror attack gives them an excuse to declare martial law.

Harry said...

Guys, to be clear, Obama has been IN POWER for a few weeks, so he couldn't be responsible for an ammo importation permit that's been delayed for 4 months, period.... Also, whats up with all this "Criminal in Chief" and "Highjacking the Constitution" language? Let's face it, Bush actually BROKE THE LAW when he listened to the phone calls of Americans without getting a court order, its a criminal offense, or he held 13 year old enemy combatants at GITMO, or when he ordered sleep depravation and waterboarding of prisoners... Obama came from nothing to get into and graduate at the top of Harvard Law School and has actually studied and taught the Constitution. I'm not saying he's perfect, but he's not Evil....

Jeff said...

Sometimes I think we need to be reminded that it is our duty to keep our government in "check".It isn't easy to do but if we ,as a civilian population,neglect our duty to control our gov. our gov. is going to control us and I don't think anybody likes that idea. The patriots of the 1770's were very brave and courageous and I think we've let them down pretty much. Don't you?

Sharky said...

I have been saying for the longest time "Ammo will be the new currency"
You who trust the UNSSA are idiots.
(united nationalist socialist states of America)
Trust no one.
This ammo shit has been in the plans for along time. Obama just does as he is told like all the rest. no real difference.
don't be Sheeple!
Hey Sharkgirl this is Sharkman out!

transgenic452 said...

jpr9954 mentioned going to your Wal-mart and basically finding handgun calibers "sold-out" the moment they come in...

My understanding is that Wal-Mart instituted a nationwide policy some years ago to quit carrying any handgun ammunition. Did this policy change?

Last time I called (about 1 year ago), a Wal-Mart in Austin, Texas and one in Phoenix, Arizona told me they didn't carry handgun ammo.

LightTower said...

I LoL @ Ne1 who still thinks Obama and anyone associated with him are actual humans with a soul. Obama and his minions are nothing but puppets for the Rothschilds banks. Follow the money trail and it shall lead you to Evil. There is NO difference in the paradigm of Repulicrat and Democans! Voting doesn't matter, has not mattered since JFK was assassinated by a man named Saul on a hit of $50,000 and Bush Sr. witnessed it to make sure it happened the way it was conspired to as C.I.A. director at the time. I come from the bloodline of the English Royal family, my 10th great grandfather was the bastard child of the Prince of England. My family first arrived here in the U.S. in 1638. We were Revolutionaries, Yankees, Pilgrims, Pioneers, Soldiers, Rebels, Citizens. I'm a 5th Generation Arizona native with 40,000 relatives from just my 2nd Great Grandfather who had 5 wives and 44 children. We ALL have the same basic beliefs for the love of Freedom and Civil Liberties. I'm sure if my family is 40,000+ strong, just imagine all of our friends and their families! We will not give in, we will not surrender. Death to the N.W.O., Molon Labe!

Smashy said...

This is the 3rd time HR 45 has been introduced. It dies in committee in the previous 2 sessions of Congress and is right on track to die again since the make up of the committee has not changed.

And an import ammo ban? How about something concrete instead of the typical my brother's best friend's sister's ex husband's third cousin twice removed's next door neighbor's post man's golf buddy overheard two guys talking on the subway...

These stories never hold up when any scrutiny is placed on them. And Doc Fast? You are lying. Pure and simple. I've been a licensed dealer and importer for 20 years and we are having zero issues with any paperwork.

Chuck said...

For those of you who think this is untrue all you need to do is look closely of the shepherd of the flock you are following. You will find he is the proverbial "wolf in sheep's clothing."

Sharky said...

I don't trust anyone, so I went to Wal-mart and saw my friend a retired sheriff here in NC and works the Gun counter. I asked for 9mm,.223,7.62 and etc. He told me that they have run out 2 weeks ago and that they have heard from order dept. that there shelves are empty and that when they do get some they will only send out about 4 boxes of each. He said 9mm will be available before the others he was told. never mind that he said that the guns they have will be not restocked for weeks.
So, I am glad to have thousands of rounds well stashed. Plus food for 3 for a year.

Mike said...

This has to be bogus. State Department doesn't have statutory authority over USML imports. That falls to ATF.

falstaff said...

Who exactly is this Harry guy? A mouth piece for the anti gun/anti American/anti freedom faction? Some people never did understand why WWII was fought. You can bet our founding fathers would have understood the problem! Like Hitler and Stalin, our current politicos need to get rid of the guns so that any real opposition is no longer possible. We sent our troops to get rid of one Hussein and now we have one of our own in the White House. You can bet that the 2nd Amendment is anathema to him and the cadre of 2nd stringers he has with him. First move...close Gitmo...what a surprise...I expect that was agreed when all of the middle east money went into his campaign fund. Bought us a great secretary of state as well. Heads up Harry, old boy, the STARS AND STRIPES is still flying whether you like it or not.

falstaff said...

THE BEST TRICK SATAN EVER PULLED WAS TO CONVINCE MANKIND THAT HE DOESN'T EXIST........THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

ic said...

Brilliant. You can have as many guns as you want, you just cannot load them with ammo. No gun control => no 2nd Amendment conflict. No ammo, no one gets hurt.

bobby said...

1. I have been buying my 9mm ammunition for my Glock at Walmart for four years - ever since I first saw their prices. I shoot with some friends weekly, so I'm talking about 1000 rounds per month. About two months ago, their normally overflowing ammunition locker (about 15 feet long, three feet deep, four rows high) became . . . empty. I think there were some small boxes of exotic ($$$!) high-powered handgun bullets in the back, but that was it. Since then, I've seen a few boxes of 9mm, that I've snapped right up, but this bin used to be packed full constantly. They tell me that demand is so high and supply is slowing, and that Walmart won't buy overpriced stuff just so it can have stock.

2. Yeah, this is all fake, a tall one designed to make us gullible bitter clingers splurge on ammo to the ammo-makers' profit. That's just what I was told a few years ago, right before they outlawed such common, useful, safe items as higher-capacity clips for my pistol. I listened to those damned liars that time, and didn't buy a bunch of those clips, and regret it. Harry, are you one of that old batch of damned liars, or are you part of a new batch of damned liars? '

Cuz your status isn't in question, just your affiliation.

bobby said...

"My understanding is that Wal-Mart instituted a nationwide policy some years ago to quit carrying any handgun ammunition. Did this policy change?"
- - - - -

How many is "some"? Here in the great northern liberalland, (uff da!), the Walmarts within fifty miles of me, plus the Walmarts up north, and even those in the southern part of the state, have been selling a LOT of good-quality ammunition for handguns, at very very reasonable prices, for the last fifteen years without a break.

Of course, news comes here slowly . . .

drewkitty said...

It's "K-MART" who voluntary decided to stop selling handgun ammunition.

Brian said...

One little screw, was all I wanted. Exporting a "gun part" out of the USA is impossible. A grip screw for my Sig P220 fell out, (my fault on reassembly after cleaning) and I ordered it from Brownells, who refused to send the screw to me in Canada. These export laws existed before the new President Obama took office. So please, when there is a chance, please think of your fellow shooters arround the world competing in USDSA (IPSC) and PPC who need parts? Thanks

JohnDoeNumber2 said...

If Not one Ammo Importer in the U.S.A. can get any Russian ammo through U.S. ports & we're being told FIRSTHAND at an Atlanta Gun Show over the weekend by Longshoreman at the Savannah, Georgia docks that U.S. Customs has TONS of Russian ammo THEY WILL NOT RELEASE & the U.S. State Department & the Obama News Media (ABC, CBS, CNN & NBC) WILL NOT DISCUSS this & J & G sales in Arizona had some Wolf ammo for about 3 hours last Monday - hit their website - that TRIPLE-SOLD OUT in a few hours (sold 3 times more ammo on website than they had...)

Then if this isn't an IMPORT BAN - then it sure seems like one!

Furthermore - the ONLY REASON we still have 28 cases left is because Bank of America & First Data (Wells Fargo) said they will not process credit cards for us BECAUSE we sell ammo on our website!

When we offered U.S. Banks a $5,000 CASH RESERVE to process credit cards for us & THEY REFUSED - BUT WILL NOT put in writing for us to show the N.R.A. - even though we've had a vehichle financed with them for 3 years & give them at least $10K aweek in CASH DEPOSITS - no gun-related credit card processing they said!!!

Ron said...

You might as well give up trying to talk to the likes of Harry. These know it all liberals have there heads stuck so far up Obama's ass they refuse to see what is truly going on. Obama and his administration are a bunch of corrupt tax evading cowards. They are trying to back door there agenda. All of Obama's supporters think the empty suit of a man can do no wrong. They voted there ignorance when they cast there vote. Obama had accomplished nothing good for our country prior to the election yet they blindly voted for him.

They refused to consider that prior to and after his election Obama surrounded himself with corrupt individuals. That is where his comfort zone is. Look at his associations with the likes of Rezko, Ayers, Rev. Wright, and the name slips my mind of the former Hamas spokesman. Respectively you have a man convicted and serving time on numerous federal political corruption charges, a domestic terrorist that freely admitted he wished he did more in bombing governmental offices in the US, and his self admitted spiritual mentor for 20+ years that spewed hatred, anti-American, and racists garbage for the pulpit.

Only when these associations were brought to light did Obama distance himself from these not so tasteful individuals. He turned his back on his friends ONLY when his political goals were threatened by these associations. We all must keep in mind he is a lawyer first. His chosen profession twists the truth to the point it no longer is the truth in an effort to gain what they want in the end.

Just the fact he has nominated a tax evader to run the IRS tells me all I need to know. Obama is either insane or he is so corrupt he can not see the problem. Me think the latter fits.

I am very concerned about one issue that he has kept hidden. I believe the man is a closet racists. If you sit in the pews for 20+ years listening to a pastor spew the kind of racists, anti-American hatred Rev. Wright spewed you agree with him. If what the pastor preaches on a regular basis hits outside your personal circle of truth you find another church. You seek a pastor that preaches God's word from the bible. Anyone that has attended church on a regular basis knows this for a fact.

Obama was asked early on in his campaign why he did not wear a flag lapel pin. His answer was something to the effect he was afraid it would offend some for what it stood for. He does not respect the flag for what it stands for much less all that have died defending what it stands for. I have zero respect for the man.

I have worked hard all my adult life, paid all my taxes, been a law abiding citizen, managed my money, paid all my bills on time, saved for a hopeful retirement in the near future. Not once have I been a burden on the system. Now under this president I am going to be punished for living a responsible life. He wants to take my guns and more than a fair share of my hard earned money. My tax burden will be increase to take care of the irresponsible act of others. Unlike what this idiot president thinks no one in this country is entitled to a damn thing at my or anyone else's expense.

Obama has told lie after lie in his short time as president. He can not be taken for his word on anything. His agenda will tear this country apart before he is finished.

Sharky said...

I just bought the last box of 9mm at our local Wal-Mart and was told they only got in 4 boxes and that was today and I got there in time for the last of it. He said last of it and meant what he said because I know him personally.
But, I know of a company called Space Coast Bullets at 321-259-3044 they make there own ammo and you can order from them.
get it now, I have over 1 thousand rounds already.

SirGlockin said...

Ron, I could not have said it better myself, Well Said. We all better open our eyes to what our elect is trying to do in the name of (change for a better future.)Stay Strong and Fearless.

gerald stephens said...

The black plague that decimated the population of Europe began very quietly.

The progressive Marxist element is quietly seeking to accomplish a decimation of the Constitution. The people of Europe possessed no treatment for their plague.

Fortunately we do have remedies, all constitutionally legal. First among them is that of electing psychologically stable representatives at all levels. Should that fail, the the inherent force contained within the Second Amendment remains a last resort.